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RAREST OF THE REMINGTON ROLLING BLOCKS, MODEL 1867 U.S. NAVY CARBINE IN CALIBER .50-45
Guns International #: 101374335 Seller's Inventory #:
Category: Remington Rifles - Antique - Antique Rifles - Single Shot
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Seller: goodmanguns
Company: William T. Goodman
Member Since: 10/16/15
First Name: William
Last Name: Goodman
State: Montana
Zip: 59715
Country: United States
Phone: (406) 587-3131
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Seller: FFL Dealer
Return Policy: 3 day inspection and return policy on used guns.
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Description:
ONE OF THE MOST HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND RAREST OF THE REMINGTON ROLLING BLOCKS IS THIS AUTHENTIC MODEL 1867 U.S. NAVY ISSUE CARBINE IN CALIBER .50-45. There is a wealth of information on this model in the excellent relatively new book Remington Rolling Block Military Rifles of the World by George Layman. In the chapter on U.S. issue rolling blocks he has a lengthy section on the Model 1867 U.S. Navy Carbine. He states that this model was the first new longarm adopted by the U. S. after the Civil War. He further states that the U.S. Navy purchased 5,000 of these unique carbines that were delivered to the New York Navy Yard between 1868-1869. They were issued to several ships including the U.S.S. Colorado of the Pacific Squadron which saw action on Kanghwa Island near modern Inchon in Korea. Later, in 1879 the navy decided to dispose of their Model 1867 Carbines and sold them off to a couple of dealers as surplus. From this point on, many were converted to different calibers etc. and sold to Latin American countries. Some were also converted to .45-70 and sold to the state of South Carolina. The end result is that for collectors today, Layman says that an unaltered Model 1867 U.S. Navy Carbine is extremely rare. To make matters worse, a number of removed barrels and forends from original converted carbines found there way to Dixie Gun Works in the 1950s. As one might expect, these barrels and forends were put on typical foreign rolling block carbines to make U.S. Navy carbines. So basically, if you find what looks like an original 1867 probably is a fake! The good news is that the original Model 1867 U.S. Navy Carbine has features that cannot be faked. Here’s a few: The bottom of the breech block is concave in shape and has a bottom mounted stud extractor. Almost all fakes have the later post-1870 action that has a flat bottom breech block and side mounted extractor. There is also NO left side extractor retaining screw visible on the outside of the action. The Model 1867 also has NO sling ring and bar. Instead, it has a butt swivel and a front swivel mounted on the barrel retaining band. There is a small anchor stamping on the top rear of the 23 1/4" barrel along with a serial number on the left rear of the barrel almost hidden by the forend. The right side of the receiver is stamped “P” over “F.C.W.he rear sighting notch of the folded-down ladder sight appears to have been filed down slightly. One would have to look hard to even notice this. All markings are sharp, correct and clear. The cartouche on the fore” over an anchor. This model also has a small cartouche on the right side of the forend ahead of the receiver. Photos and descriptions of these attributes are all in Layman’s book. This example is correct in every way. Only the cartouche on the forearm is faint, but there. Metal surfaces are a deep aged brown/gray. Sights are original and correct. The stock and forend show use and handling, but are solid. There is a small age/stress crack coming back from the bottom tang for an inch and goes nowhere- minor. The correct Remington patent and address markings on the upper tang are also clearly stamped. Both correct sling swivels are intact. The action is tight and the bore retains fine rifling throughout and only light scattered surface roughness that ought to scrub out better. This is the first authentic Model 1867 I’ve seen. Even the most complete U.S. Military Rolling Block or U.S. Navy collection almost always lacks this incredibly rare model!
SOLD
Antique: Yes
Manufacturer: REMINGTON
Model: MODEL 1867 U.S. NAVY ROLLING BLOCK CARBINE
Serial Number: 4XXX
Caliber Info: .50-45
Condition: VG+
Barrels: 23 1/4" (correct)