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French CONTINSOUZA/Turkish T.C. ORMAN Model 1916 BERTHIER 8mm Carbine C&R Turkish Orman FORESTRY SERVICE Carbine
Guns International #: 102033952 Seller's Inventory #: 220423
Category: Military Rifles - Non-US - Military Arms
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Seller: AncestryGunsLLC
Company: Ancestry Guns LLC
Member Since: 11/3/16
State: Missouri
Zip: 65203
Country: United States
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Description:
French CONTINSOUZA/Turkish T.C. ORMAN Model 1916 BERTHIER 8mm Carbine C&R
Turkish Orman FORESTRY SERVICE Carbine
Here we present a rare C&R French Continsouza/Turkish T.C. Orman Model 1916 Berthier Bolt Action Carbine made circa the World War I era by French gunmaker Continsouza in France and updated by T.C. Orman in 1948. During the early stages of the war, it was quickly recognized that the Model 1907 Berthier's three-shot magazine was simply too small in comparison to foreign weapons, requiring too-frequent reloading. Additionally, it was found that trench mud and grit could enter the weapon through the opening in the bottom of the magazine. To correct these issues, the Model 1916 Berthier rifle was introduced with a five-round en-bloc clip. The clip discharge opening at the bottom of the protruding magazine was replaced by a spring loaded trapdoor to keep out dirt and debris. This improved 5-shot design was then fitted to existing rifles and carbine-length Berthier models.
During WWII, the Turkish government wound up in possession of several thousand (between 5k and 10k) French Berthier rifles, mostly 1907/15 models, but also some Mle 1916s like this one. After the war, Turkey found itself having problems with illegal logging of its rather valuable Circassian walnut forests and decided that it was necessary to arm its forest ranger service. Again, details are a bit sketchy, but it appears that a decision was made to deliberately use a non-standard caliber of ammunition for these rangers, so that if their rifles were stolen they would be of limited value (like the British Enfields converted to riot police shotguns in India). Since a big pile of Berthier rifles in 8x50R Lebel were available, they were chosen for the purpose.
Many Model 1916 rifles and carbines were produced too late to see service in World War I, but were used after the war, particularly in colonial service. Berthier rifles and carbines continued in service during the Second World War in all branches of French service, including infantry and mounted units. Colonial and Foreign Legion forces in particular continued to use the Model 1916 Berthier due to a shortage of the new MAS-36 bolt-action rifle. Despite the advent of the MAS-36, the French Army did not have enough of the new rifles to equip even half of its frontline interior troops. Berthier Model 1916 5-shot rifles and carbines saw action in both France and Norway. After the fall of France in 1940, the Berthier could be found in service with both Vichy and Free French units.
The overall condition is good. Strong action. Bright bore. This example sports a solid stock. Clear markings. “1948” dated barrel. The leather sling is in good shape. Here’s a nice Turkish “Orman” Forestry carbine.
This firearm is classified as a Curio & Relic.
Barrel is 22 inches.
Caliber: 8mm Lebel
Overall condition as seen in photos.
Very Fast. Very Safe. FREE SHIPPING. Will need to be sent to your local FFL or C&R licensee. This firearm is classified as a Curio & Relic.
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$1050
#220423
SOLD
Curio/Relic: Yes